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Cost of Living in Toronto

Summary about cost of living in Toronto:

Restaurants [ Edit ] Range
Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant 20.00 C$ 15.00-25.00
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course 80.00 C$ 60.00-110.00
McMeal at McDonalds (or Equivalent Combo Meal) 10.75 C$ 9.00-13.00
Domestic Beer (1 pint draught) 8.00 C$ 6.00-9.00
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle) 8.00 C$ 6.50-10.00
Cappuccino (regular) 4.41 C$ 3.00-5.70
Coke/Pepsi (12 oz small bottle) 2.42 C$ 1.50-3.00
Water (12 oz small bottle) 1.85 C$ 1.00-3.00
Markets [ Edit ]
Milk (regular), (1 gallon) 11.04 C$ 5.68-15.90
Loaf of Fresh White Bread (1 lb) 2.81 C$ 1.81-3.63
Rice (white), (1 lb) 2.05 C$ 1.00-2.95
Eggs (regular) (12) 3.49 C$ 2.27-5.00
Local Cheese (1 lb) 8.99 C$ 3.63-13.61
Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1 lb) 7.21 C$ 4.54-12.25
Beef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat) 10.44 C$ 5.44-16.33
Apples (1 lb) 2.03 C$ 1.13-2.72
Banana (1 lb) 0.90 C$ 0.57-1.36
Oranges (1 lb) 2.25 C$ 1.27-3.18
Tomato (1 lb) 2.00 C$ 1.00-2.81
Potato (1 lb) 1.66 C$ 0.76-2.45
Onion (1 lb) 1.48 C$ 0.76-1.95
Lettuce (1 head) 2.93 C$ 1.50-4.00
Water (1.5 liter bottle) 2.55 C$ 1.25-4.00
Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range) 17.50 C$ 15.00-25.00
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle) 3.19 C$ 2.30-4.20
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle) 3.39 C$ 2.43-5.00
Cigarettes 20 Pack (Marlboro) 15.00 C$ 14.07-18.00
Transportation [ Edit ]
One-way Ticket (Local Transport) 3.25 C$ 3.10-3.25
Monthly Pass (Regular Price) 151.00 C$ 146.00-151.15
Taxi Start (Normal Tariff) 4.00 C$ 3.25-5.00
Taxi 1 mile (Normal Tariff) 3.22 C$ 2.82-4.83
Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff) 34.00 C$ 30.00-50.00
Gasoline (1 gallon) 4.74 C$ 4.42-5.07
Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car) 25,017.00 C$ 22,000.00-29,000.00
Toyota Corolla 1.6l 97kW Comfort (Or Equivalent New Car) 24,625.28 C$ 19,000.00-29,000.00
Utilities (Monthly) [ Edit ]
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 915 sq ft Apartment 129.79 C$ 75.00-250.00
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans) 0.46 C$ 0.25-0.60
Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL) 66.05 C$ 49.00-90.00
Sports And Leisure [ Edit ]
Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult 55.98 C$ 30.00-80.00
Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend) 34.64 C$ 15.00-58.00
Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat 15.00 C$ 13.00-16.50
Childcare [ Edit ]
Preschool (or Kindergarten), Full Day, Private, Monthly for 1 Child 1,532.72 C$ 900.00-2,200.00
International Primary School, Yearly for 1 Child 26,625.00 C$ 17,000.00-31,150.00
Clothing And Shoes [ Edit ]
1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar) 74.96 C$ 50.00-100.00
1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...) 45.85 C$ 30.00-75.00
1 Pair of Nike Running Shoes (Mid-Range) 112.34 C$ 80.00-150.00
1 Pair of Men Leather Business Shoes 138.25 C$ 90.00-200.00
Rent Per Month [ Edit ]
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 2,157.05 C$ 1,800.00-2,500.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 1,731.08 C$ 1,400.00-2,000.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 3,567.61 C$ 2,800.00-5,000.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 2,529.51 C$ 1,995.00-3,100.00
Buy Apartment Price [ Edit ]
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment in City Centre 990.79 C$ 836.12-1,161.28
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre 801.85 C$ 557.41-975.47
Salaries And Financing [ Edit ]
Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax) 3,396.63 C$
Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly, for 20 Years Fixed-Rate 3.52 3.00-4.60

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Last update: October 2019
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100 Comments so far

#High Park on Oct 14, 2019 :
Whoever keeps on artificially boosting the average salary has an agenda. If you get a job here, it's likely temporary labour or working as a cashier at Tim Hortons.

The middle class jobs are disappearing and jobs are hard to find in Toronto. You will spend every penny of your life savings and end up on social welfare, if the racist PC Ontario conservatives doesn't slash that. There is a high risk of civil unrest in Toronto. One paycheck or welfare cheque away from a full blown civil war in Toronto.
#Anonymous on Oct 13, 2019 :
This is what $1,700 monthly rent gets you in Toronto: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/acorn-protest-weston-1.5319559
#Anonymous on Oct 10, 2019 :
Toronto is the new Rome and is on the verge of collapse!
Move here to become a 21 century serf even peoples in the midevil ages didint have this bad, mark my words!
- average wage is 35000$ a year
- infrastructure such as roads and public transit haven’t changed in the 30 years but population hase more then doubled.
- horrible bumper to bumper traffic from 5 am to I0 am and 3 pm to 9 pm combine that with terrible pissed off drivers.
- huge housing scam going on in Toronto,
expect to pay 2300 $ a month for a one bed room apt and live with 4 other people in the same room. Tear down crack shack homes go for 1$ million
- taxes are very high even tho most people are living bellow the poverty line ( I defy poverty line as under 95000$ per year cause that’s what it takes to afford a one bedroom with 30% income on rent)
- If you come with savings you will see them disappear so fast that you won’t be able to get out. And will be stuck living here in 3rd world level poverty.
- Insurance
Can’t forget about that legally sanctioned mafia, expect to pay 400$ a month thanks to the insurance fraud that the companies want and know well that every Body Shop commits. And then the insurance companies can turn around and use as a excuse to extort peoples.
- miserable pissed of peoples. Everyone is always pissed off and trying to rip each other off to pay the bills.
Welcome to Toronto
#Anonymous on Oct 10, 2019 :
Why car insurance is so expensive in Canada? I use to pay $60 in Massachussets and I’m Toronto I am paying $270 per month. :/
#Anonymous on Oct 10, 2019 :
Anonymous, this message board is being watched by the Canadian government.

The Canadian economy and the landlords depend on 350,000 suckers to move here and live in the Big Cities, especially in Toronto to create a society of consumers.

If it weren't for the NIMBYs and the mass immigration, rents and car prices would be way lower in Toronto.

Instead, one has to pay $1,700 a month for a one-bedroom apartment in Scarborough or Etobicoke.
#Anonymous on Oct 09, 2019 :
Dear Administrator, using the reference websites for autos I calculated prices for a VW Golf and Toyota Corolla to be approx $33300 and $33100 respectively. I assumed $600 for licensing, 13% is our HST.
#Failed Immigrant on Oct 09, 2019 :
Come to Canada.

Leave your middle class job.

Sell all of your assets.
Transfer your life savings to Canada.

Come to Canada.

You need Canadian experience for job.

$2,000 a month to rent cockroach apartment in area where criminals act with impunity.
You need Canadian experience for job.

Your wife leaves you because Canadian girls say you are too barbaric.
You need Canadian experience for job.

$2,000 rent is due. Landlord knocks on your door demanding payment.
You need Canadian experience for job.

Work for free for Canadian experience.
$2,000 rent is due. Landlord evicts you.

Working for free.
Living as a second class citizen.
Working for free.

Company lies to you and claim that they are terminating your contract before you ask for a salaried job.

You need PAID, Canadian work experience for job. And also tons of requirements, sensitivity training, changing your accent and behaving in a way which doesn’t offend the local Canadians who judge you negatively because you’re immigrant.
#Anonymous on Oct 05, 2019 :
Come to Canada, and DIE in the most inhumane way. He died at the workplace, yet the staff had to continue working as if nothing happened. Right here in Toronto! A worker died and staff had to continue working and the factory was still operating. Life has no meaning if you are poor in Canada, but the Bridle Path millionaires are living the good life.

Do you want to migrate to Canada and die in Toronto as a serf? The Filipino man was a civil engineer in his home country and in UAE, but in Toronto, he DIED a factor worker, and even when he died, the Bridle Path owners forced the workers to keep on working, even after seeing a worker die in the most horrible way; crushed by a faulty machine. Come to Toronto and SUFFER!

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/10/04/the-life-and-death-of-fiera-foods-temp-worker-enrico-miranda.html
#Anonymous on Oct 04, 2019 :
Something's got to give. $180 a week, or almost $800 a month to rent a room in the High Park area (10 km away from the downtown core).

Toronto might be the first city in the world where there will be a neo-feudal backlash and eventually civil unrest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/roncesvalles-high-park-eviction-tourist-home-1.5306727

People in NYC don't work for free, and even when Manhattan is a tiny island, you don't see numbered corporations doing this to tenants without a fight or legal action from the community. In Toronto, landlord kicks you out, and you're on your own!

Canada has so much land, yet emulates the scarcity of land like Manhattan.
#Speaker on Oct 02, 2019 :
Please enter and reflect real income. 2400. If you care about this, please speak up at twitter #housingcrisis
#Peter Bergman on Oct 02, 2019 :
Administrator:

How many other cities in your website have suffered from censorship? Toronto seems to be the only city in Numbeo where comments are scrutinized like a microscope for any dissenting speech which gets flagged using SJW terms.

No one here is advocating for any hate speech, and the government officials are doing CENSORSHIP.

Complaining of low salaries, working for free graduates and high rents are tagged for censorship here. Shame!
#Anonymous on Oct 01, 2019 :
better link to article

https://www.blogto.com/real-estate-toronto/2019/09/toronto-biggest-housing-bubble-world/?fbclid=IwAR1IeX8-R6wk_VI9vpNgSb7ERBCzGOVFZV3neRPxL0FGiV3axd5ZhSn544k
#Anonymous on Oct 01, 2019 :
another article showing that Toronto is basically unaffordable for normal people.. "second largest real-estate bubble in the world".

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogto.com%2Freal-estate-toronto%2F2019%2F09%2Ftoronto-biggest-housing-bubble-world%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1IeX8-R6wk_VI9vpNgSb7ERBCzGOVFZV3neRPxL0FGiV3axd5ZhSn544k&h=AT27OarvJVXNiFIRvqIrdvH-iEF_2o1Y7VKZueeMKoVBmjzuu1N3bupAHteYyoBx_Q6mZpVIALPr4p821SMbm3u0BEdOmKNzT5j7hDvENYI_53UXK52lAxIkvoWx8mR2Qg

In Toronto speaking your mind is effectively illegal.. complain about the reality of the situation here and you'll be ostracized by people that are 20k in debt and have no future, all because you "offended" their delicate sensibilities.. the only people making it here are the super rich and the people dull enough to think working at Subway or Uber is a real career to be proud of.. if you have middle-class aspirations and want to start a family run as far away as possible.. even the successful guys I know making over 100k are basically losers here
#Administrator on Oct 01, 2019 :
We had to censor some comments due to offensive language. Please use a language which is not offensive to any gender, race, group of people, etc.
#Eastern europe on Sep 30, 2019 :
Only 20% can afford a house.

Read article for more info.

https://www.blogto.com/real-estate-toronto/2019/07/toronto-families-afford-house/
#Anonymous on Sep 29, 2019 :
The amount of thought policing and censorship in this politically correct city alone makes me paranoid of what I type.

Do you know what makes it even more scary?

Numbeo has been blacklisting IP addresses and even web browsers from Toronto to censor Torontonians from commenting here.

Toronto is a scam which requires the influx of monies from Alberta, Ottawa and immigrants to keep the facade going.

College students at Seneca, Centennial, Humber and George Brown are being told that they have to PAY thousands of dollars for a credit course to WORK for FREE and get 'Canadian job experience'.

Toronto is a scam!
#Protestmann on Sep 27, 2019 :
https://www.scmp.com/comment/blogs/article/1851003/bizarro-vancouver-25000-households-declare-less-income-they-spend

Stop subsidizing mansion dwellers with your hard work in sub-artic temperatures. This city is a scam.
#Anonymous on Sep 24, 2019 :
Canadian economy is poor and there is a lot of growing insolvency. Hard for young people to get ahead and live a decent life.
#Ron on Sep 24, 2019 :
There are two kinds of people you meet in Toronto: the haves, and the have-nots.
The haves are those who push real estate, ridiculously ugly particle board boxes for villa-prices. To the newcomers that know these were once bought for 45k, 1M sounds reasonable.
There are other haves, who own those particle boards, and pay 3000 a year in taxes. They are greedy and have a non-in-my backyard attitude, preventing new builds and keeping prices artificially high.
The have-nots are constantly working, or not working and doing drugs. There is no plan. There is no balance. And please, stop inflating the salary. It is currently at minimum.
#Realist Optimist on Sep 22, 2019 :
Toronto is deteriorating if you're a minimum wage worker or a student who will, in the future, have to work for free or even pay employers to hire you.

Toronto is however, a heaven for the top 1%, and also the Grade 8 educated Boomers who are now millionaires and using HELOCs and reverse mortgages to fund their vacations and becoming richer.

Toronto Boomers will harass you and attack you with racist slurs on the street, if you are a minority of student age, but as soon as a money launderer with suitcases of illegal money offers to buy homes for money laundering, the same Boomers will welcome them with open arms.

Toronto is also socially fragmented that if you're a single male, you will end up spending lots of money for companionship, as the almighty dollar is valued rather than mutual friendships. Everything is terms of time as money in Toronto.

If you're over 18, say goodbye to your future if you plan to move here!

I migrated here when I was 18, and today, at age 25, I am worse off than my peers in a 3rd world country!
#Disenchanted on Sep 20, 2019 :
36% rent
32% food
If you did not win the bank of mom and dad lottery, or if your parents hate you, you are out of luck in this city. No matter how "good" your job is, if you are not a director out of school, you are looking at hardship and debt for life. Realtors, please stop inflating income. We are looking at minimum regardless of the U of T masters degree.
#Johnny Barley on Sep 19, 2019 :
https://www.narcity.com/real-estate/ca/on/toronto/torontos-cheapest-house-for-sale-right-now-is-so-small-and-so-cute-photos

I was in Italy not too long ago, and the rents were low (400 euro), the wine was great and cheap, and the food was amazing. There was a time when a tulip costed ten times the annual salary of a skilled worker. In Toronto, houses cost 10 times or more the annual salary of a skilled worker. For such a toxic city with failing infrastructure, lame entertainment and overpriced services, it reminds me of Tulipmania.

Again, the Real estate or politicians are pumping up the salary... It's 2300.
#Anonymous on Sep 18, 2019 :
I made the leap of faith and went back to Albania. Yes its not high by european standards but i live a comfortable life and not the pernicious stress that’s ubiquitous ok toronto. Rent is $250 euro, climate is mild. And if you want to go couture shopping Milan is 1 hour flight away.
#Anonymous on Sep 17, 2019 :
good stuff fryer
i'll probably have to leave canada to retire as well.. but for me that's not for a little while
not everyone has the guts to take the leap so good on you
#Fryer on Sep 17, 2019 :
as much as possible I live in Mexico where housing costs, while rising, are but a small percentage of what it costs in Canada. In Canada I would be living out of my car under the bridge on my miserable pension. In Mexico (and many other countries in the world) where the cost of living is less than 1/2 of what it is in Canada, I can live in a nice furnished casa, complete with tended garden, palms, colorful birds, a mild temperature, and all for less than $600/month. In Canada you couldn't' rent a doghouse for that money. On top of it I don't have to shovel the white stuff in January, nor will I slip and break my hip on the ice.
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#Anonymous on Sep 15, 2019 :
Chinese money launderers are PAYING over $100,000 DOLLARS to get "jobs" for permanent residency! Work-for-free is nothing compared to this!!!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/immigration-jobs-fees-china-canada-1.5272394
#Anonymous on Sep 12, 2019 :
Indian citizens and Chinese are driving up house prices and causing homeless for everyone! And by Indian citizens, I refer to them Pageet from India who are flooding the gates of Canada to drive up house prices, drive down wages by work for free scams, and also other forms of hardship for Canadians.

To put that in context, there is now a single-car garage for sale in mid-town Toronto for $599,000. Meanwhile Pageet tries to impress his HR Manager by offering to work for free, not knowing that the HR Manager is not dressing that way to ask her for a date!

Pageets have been flooding Canada by the millions every year. They would scam a poor Indian in their home country, but they will beg to work for free in Canada. This is why I don't like Pageets.

I have respect for those turban wearers as they are the real immigrants who help make Canada a better place. Pageets, on the other hand, are scam artists, lowballers and brown nosers for the whites.

And before you yell "racist", I am an Afro-Caribbean male whose relatives had to live with descendants of Indians for hundreds of years.

Indians are truly a scourge if they act like a Pageet. Luckily, most Indo-Caribbean peoples have assimilated and are not Pageets, but what the hell is wrong with Indians to ruin it for the rest of us?
#Suzuki's fan on Sep 11, 2019 :
High costs of living cause stress, which turns into anger, and this is a very angry city. Just watched a guy yell at Adam Sandler for no apparent reason. I see people yelling at each other every day.

There is no planning for augmenting the infrastructure to match the number of newcomers that arrive here every year. Sewage is being washed into lake Ontario every time there is heavy rainfall. Yet, someone like David Suzuki is called a racist for saying that Canada is beyond its capacity:

“Oh, I think Canada is full too! Although it’s the second largest country in the world, our useful area has been reduced. Our immigration policy is disgusting: We plunder southern countries by depriving them of future leaders, and we want to increase our population to support economic growth. It’s crazy!” Suzuki

There is no freedom of speech, you have to stick to the money making agenda. In Markham there was a protest against receiving refugees by a majority of foreign born new citizens from a specific ethnic group, and no one dared call them racist.

Donations to charities are down, because as a society, we do not care for each other any more. Just care about profit. I have friends who came from other countries, mostly Asia, and they believe in different versions of previous life crimes religions, that poor people have done something bad in a previous life, therefore the faster they are taken to re-incarnation (through dying in poverty), the better chances next life they'll be alright. Are these Canadian values?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/canadian-charity-giving-fraser-institute-decline-1.4961055

There are 100,000 people waiting for housing, yet they are only planning to build 600... They keep the prices high, to profit at all costs.
#Work for Free on Sep 10, 2019 :
If Sharmini fled in the remote areas of Sri Lanka, rather than migrate to Canada, and brown nose for a local who murdered her, she would still be here living.

A local Canadian walks free, while Sharmini's family grieves because the police have not charged anyone for the murder, though a police sergeant believes there is a suspect, but the suspect has more rights even if he went on raping and assaulting more women. This is Canada!

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/sharmini

It just shows that these Pajeets will even worship a white man if he rapes and murders them for a job. This isn't name-calling; this is facts!
#No Hope on Sep 10, 2019 :
Toronto housing is not worth the money they ask for. They have inflated the prices because they sell the false hope that you will have a quality of life that cannot be reached while you run into debt, because the meager income cannot cover rent, benefits, taxes, and food. With a Canadian passport you could teach English overseas, but now the market is saturated, so not even that.
I believe in respect and civility, and I have not encountered much in my work place. Those with houses put you down and mock you because you rent. They bought them or inherited the houses for under 100k, yet they think they are better than renters in every way, morally, and ethically. One of them he said only smart people have houses, yet he thought the Mona Lisa was painted by Michelangelo. There is no empathy, and if you try to do better through education or additional effort, they will back-stab and make sure you stay in debt. Please do not fall into the trap of name-calling, just speak facts without the need of putting other people down.
#Anonymous on Sep 10, 2019 :
These Pajeets also pay International fees for tuition, and after they graduate, they beg employers to work for free, lowering wages and increasing unemployment for those who aren't boot lickers and brown nosers for the whites.

What did Britain do to India that Pajeets would risk everything to work for free? Honestly, this is unlike migrants who migrate for a higher salary or to make it big to retire in their home countries.

Pajeet wants to sell his mansion in India, use that money to study in these anti-male schools, and then beg to work for free...Tsk tsk!
#Anonymous on Sep 10, 2019 :
Jarvis,

These Pajeets are the only type of immigrant who leaves his affluent lifestyle in India to live in a crowded slum house of 3rd world conditions and work for free like a slave in Toronto, and willingly does this. They are driving down wages and increasing home prices for everybody.
#Anonymous on Sep 09, 2019 :
8 months of winter and not enough money to make it worthwhile.. even if you work..

most successful guy i know making 6 figures bought some stupid 1 million dollar townhouse downtown on like a 30 year mortgage.. high ceilings sure, but still a narrow townhouse and no garage, and you have to be quiet at night..

if that's the new pinnacle of success then the rest of us are basically fucked..
#Garage Toronto on Sep 09, 2019 :
With a average home price of $646,732.

Garages go for $600,000 these days! And the slumlord will pack a few international students in there for $1,000 a month a piece.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-housing-market-garage-sale-1.5275499

This isn't justified as good-paying jobs are scarce in Toronto, and graduates are even competing to work for unpaid internships aka work-for-free jobs.
#Anonymous on Sep 08, 2019 :
Toronto is 15.73% lower than New York.

But in Toronto, it would be very rare to start with a US$65,000 a year job after graduating with an MBA or Master's Degree. As a matter of truthfulness, jobs in finance, business, management and accounting are only reserved for those in certain social classes.

Ever read the story of the Guyanese lady who was unemployed for several years despite her MBA and work experience in Toronto? And then after becoming mentally unstable, she started stabbing up women in the underground downtown district?

Lots of immigrants, especially men, end up jumping the subway tracks and committing suicide because they were told a lie by the immigration consultants.

Educated migrants are also harassed on the streets of Toronto and accused of being illegal refugees. Trump's racist ideas have infested Toronto.

You wanna come live in Toronto like a second class citizen, and spend everything that you have while chasing a false dream, and then have NOTHING if you want to leave this toxic city?

Look here, I'm from one of the poorest countries in the Caribbean islands (Haiti), and I want to return there because I hate this city. I don't even have enough money to move to Montreal, and I doubt that there will be jobs for me because of the racism.
#Jarvis on Sep 06, 2019 :
With a average home price of $646,732, a Torontonian would need an income of $92,220 in order to secure a 20 per cent down payment and qualify for a 30-year mortgage at a fixed rate of 3.75 per cent.

Problem is, the actual household average income in Toronto is $66,520, which leaves an income gap of roughly $25,700.

Remember, these are AVERAGE income estimates when you calculate the super rich earners but most people are earning well below these numbers.

Toronto is now the 5th most unaffordable city in the world

https://www.blogto.com/real-estate-toronto/2018/06/toronto-unaffordable-city-world/
#Alisha on Sep 06, 2019 :
Toronto is like the city equivalent of Harvy Winestein. Over-rated, over-priced, famous, tolerated, people think it is a big deal until people start coming forward with their real stories, trials, and plain awfulness. Then all the people who made money out of it start defending him by calling others nut-jobs. Before you arrive you get all this misinformation telling you everything is going to be better than where you are. Once you are here, you are thrown into a toxic work and society where you are expected to fill in for those lazy people who just drink coffee and enjoy themselves watching movies, because they were here before. On top of that, they insult you or back stab you from all possible angles. You realize that to have rights to have to have lawyers, which means a lot of money that you do not earn. Newcomers to Canada who are not millionaires or money launderers have to survive with underemployment and wages that do not meet the cost of living. More than a third live in poverty, and have to go deep into debt just to survive. This can lead into depression, substance abuse, and quite dire ends. Their solution is to bring more people, to replace the ones who burned out. Where are the refugees from the photo-ops now? Some estimates say that 1 out of 10 of the non-family or association sponsored ones managed to get a job, the others are barely scraping by on social assistance. Of the family or association sponsored ones, 1 out of 2 is jobless. Google month 13 refugees.
Go check the calculator here in Numbeo. The numbers do not add a car, and other things that some people expect to have once they come to Canada. You work hard for others’ wealth building, not for you. You need 4800 for a family of four a month. Plus 3000 for a crappy rental. That is 7800 a month. They pay 2400 a month for a full time 40 hours a week job. If you manage to get a job for your wife, that is 2400 a month. 4800. You have not covered rent yet.

And don't make eye contact with someone who was not introduced to you, they are overly-sensitive about being approached without a signed consent.
#Anonymous on Sep 05, 2019 :
Aside from the hyperbolic comments, some of which could be true to some unfortunate souls, Toronto does seem to be a very lacklustre city and chasing materialism and a lifestyle to nowhere. You could study for years and years and waste not only hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition and lost wage time, but also lose on your life, and still face the existential threat of homelessness in this city.

Unless you are born into wealth and are of a privileged group of people, it is very hard to even find jobs which pay over C$40,000 a year these days with a Master's degree.

The job market of Toronto, is rife with nepotism, cronyism and elitist attitudes. If you're not part of the club, you ain't in it.

Same goes for friendships and dating. Everything is a clan these days in Toronto. Don't even think that the local Canadians will accept a foreign migrant as a friend for a long-term basis. A few might help you spend your life savings while you land, but after that and you are pennyless, they could care fuq all if you freeze in minus 30 weather during winter.

Try talking to the locals here. They will call the cops on you for harassment. Try even to meet friends, and they will call security on you for harassing women and children.

Toronto is an anti-social city and it's a clannish community.
#Anonymous on Sep 05, 2019 :
The average nice house in a nice neighbourhood is anout $2.4 million. This would be a dream for many Canadians, but how many do you think can afford it on a $55,000 salary ? One bedroom Condos are about $600,000 if you prefer not to live in gang infested areas. Grab the calculator which comes free of charge with your phone, and start punching in the numbers.
#John Smith on Sep 04, 2019 :
Toronto is really awesome for the filthy, nauseatingly rich millionaires, there are many with money outside of the country who declare minimum income, despite having two Porsche and a 10M condo, and get social assistance. Why the government does not go against them? Because they can pay for expensive lawyers who will fight back.
Being rich is awesome, not being rich really sucks. It takes up to 20 years to save for a downpayment, and that is if you live in a dark basement eating mash potato sandwiches or food bank stuff (the food banks are not reliable: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/food-bank-summer-struggles-1.5264572)

The financial pressures are beyond human energy. Do you math if you fall in the categories below:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/09/04/for-young-canadian-families-the-financial-pressures-have-never-been-greater.html
https://acorncanada.org/toronto-star-%E2%80%98i-work-hard-and-i-still-can%E2%80%99t-make-enough%E2%80%99-toronto-families-struggling-survive-low
#Metzer on Sep 04, 2019 :
https://www.cp24.com/news/ttc-pleads-guilty-to-1-of-3-charges-laid-in-connection-with-death-of-employee-in-2017-1.4576199
@ Justin, US has capitalism, but you can die of pneumonia (Jim Henson did, even though he was rich). Hollywood never talks about the sad stories of 1/3 of bankruptcies being caused by medical bills. You are one disease away from having your american dream finished. So that is one good thing of Canada, but they want to take that away as well. Yes, there is enough money to provide social housing, but the people who vote for trudeau want to see double digit increases in their properties year after year. They don't need it, many of them I've met, and they don't know what to do with money. How many McDonalds hamburgers can they buy? How many unlimited netflix can they watch? They do not know what to do with their money but watch it grown and make sure they fight taxes. It is almost like a compulsive disorder.
To those who doubted the man on this thread who spoke about someone losing their life in the workplace, here is the source. His family will get compensation after too long. If he had no family, there would be no compensation. If you come here after reading all this, make sure you bring someone, just in case.
#Justin on Sep 04, 2019 :
I don’t understand why government of Canada doesn’t help new immigrants and their own people regarding affordable housing, lower cost of living, increasing minimum wage or decreasing all costs of living? What I am saying is real , I repeat, real assistance to people, not propaganda in the media,

If all is about capitalism, United states has capitalism system but everything from renting or housing market or cost of living is way lower than Canada, don’t forget that they have more population than Canada, but they managed the country way better than Canada.

Canada is super rich country but their politicians and supper rich billionaires should decide to spend their natural resources and other wealths for the sake of their own people ,I think the political system is very stingy here. Instead of making money from poor people they should spend money for people to make their life better.
#Ouch on Sep 03, 2019 :
Toronto is the city where newcomer workers have nowhere to live, and they have to spend half their lives at work, and the other half commuting. Sometimes, no time to even sleep, only in the go-trains, which cost 4000 or more a year (cost not included in Numbeo). If employers misbehave, you have to suffer through it, because if you don't have a job you don't have friends nor shelter no food. If you are on a work permit you are out of the country, if you are a permanent resident, get kicked out, and a citizen, you are looking at the cold hard pavement, where homeless people get attacked. Just saw ten people doing drugs (queen station, eaton center exit) during daylight, and two getting glassed. Economic pressure is too high, and this is a failed city.
https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/health-wellness-care/health-inspections-monitoring/monitoring-deaths-of-homeless-people/
#Anonymous on Sep 03, 2019 :
Amanpreet Singh
1 day ago
sir what is happening in GTA indian landlords who are also small business owner keep indian international students on rent. Usually 3 students in one room and one bathroom for 8 persons in their illegal basement . Along with they employ international students on low wages like 6 to 8 dollar per hour on the work like construction. I even know a student who did break asbestos structure without any protective gear or training and now he is suffering from cancer. These students are often from poor families from Punjab who came to Canada for PR under the influence of aggressive marketing by admission agents . These days in Punjab these agents are millionaire. This is a big nexus. So unless rules are properly implemented Canada too will.fail due to its partnership in this shady business. You guys need to think about it .
#Culdesac on Sep 03, 2019 :
Toronto housing a rip-off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK41_QX0t0

Real estate in Toronto is a scam!

There are no good paying jobs, but Landlords and home owners expect you to pay Manhattan prices for their overpriced particle board homes.
#Janine Chan on Sep 03, 2019 :
I think once people lose an argument, they start calling others names, like the person self-identified with the meaningless initials JP does. Saying others have a mental health illness because they disagree with you is inappropriate and denotes your lack of class, education, and overall intelligence.
Where are your sources for all this happiness only you seem to find here?
Back to the real world, a bilingual, Oxford alumni, took her own life.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/20/toronto-woman-killed-in-murder-suicide-police-describe-deaths-as-domestic-incident.html
When you first come, you better manage to get some sort of accommodation, or you will end up in a hotel paying up to 200 per night. 120 dollars per night if you are lucky. Landlords are ruthless, and they will tell you there is bidding in the over-priced one bedroom, which now are reaching 2300 a month. If you don’t get everything they ask for, there are 10 people in line waiting to nab it from you. My neighbor has a basement full of newcomers. Six of them, to be exact.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2019/08/28/average-rent-for-1-bedroom-apartment-hits-2300-in-toronto/
Some people say those who speak the truth are trying to scare others, but it is not the case. The prices are scary, and once you are out of income, digging into your savings just to survive, then getting into debt and going bankrupt, that is when things become scary. The streets are brutal, with beatings and bodily harm to homeless. 100 have died in Toronto and no one really cares. Just some councilors trying to get political credit, but don’t do much to address the real problem: cold, ravenous capitalism.
#GPeee on Sep 03, 2019 :
Jp says sth and 99 others say sth else, from my calculations I can guess now 1/(1+99) ?

Good luck and enjoy potential membership.
#Jarvis on Sep 02, 2019 :
When I want to find out about a country I seek the voices not covered by mainstream media. Mainstream media and government propaganda paint a rosy picture of Canada which is far from the truth for millions of inhabitants. Most of it is useless anecdotal information like JP's post. Better to be prepared for the worst case scenario than chasing a fantasy.
#Anonymous on Sep 02, 2019 :
And look at this ivory tower liberal condemning posts which lament the jobless situation, housing and poverty in Toronto, while JP herself boasts of living in US$2,000 or C$3,000 a month upscale condos.

Doesn't that sound very illogical?

Condemn the poor in Toronto for complaining, while bragging of "saving US$1,000 on car insurance" when over half of low-income Torontonians can't even afford to pay gas or even a bus fare for work.

What agenda does JP have to scoff at the poor complaining, while promoting a false image of Toronto.

Newcomers aren't gonna afford those upscale condos, and there are stories that money laundering is a factor in the so-called "condo boom" of Toronto. Over 65% of those condo units are owned by anonymous numbered corporations which are tied to shady individuals who are accused of horrific acts waging from financial impropriety to war crimes in third world countries.

Toronto has a growing divide between social and economic classes, and I support anyone where who explains their plight as the lower income groups of Toronto.

Well to do and upper middle class posters like JP are very anti-poor and they scoff at the poor complaining.

Keep on posting JP, because when the economic recession comes at the door, the posters who are living in poverty in Canada would need to grab some popcorn and mock your propaganda piece and laugh at the lies and realtor shilling.
#Anonymous on Sep 02, 2019 :
"World class city"

#Realtor or government shill detected.

You are posting PROPAGANDA and trying to discredit the 99 other comments. What makes you so special? You are posting lies and half-truths.
#JP on Sep 02, 2019 :
Wow, you can go ahead and ignore the crazy rants in these comments! Numbeo’s data are pretty accurate for Toronto and no, obviously it’s not the hell scape these nut jobs make it out to be. Rent is perfectly normal for a medium-sized word class city. Crime is very low, especially violent crime, by international standards. One guy in the comments says he was bullied for his LA accent - that is delusional. I moved here four years ago from the US and no one has ever mentioned my American accent even once. Other people whine about the taxes; that’s the true Canadian pastime, not hockey. In reality, business taxes are actually extremely low. My total income tax after moving to Canada precisely matched my rate in the upper Midwest of the US - down to the tenth of a percent. The property taxes in Toronto are extraordinarily low, while the sales tax is high by American standards. The overall tax rate that median households pay is slightly higher than the average in the nicer parts of the US (but remember we get health care free) and lower than in most of Europe. I rent what I consider to be a very nice 2BR condo in a lovely neighborhood (not downtown, not suburban) and the rent is US$2000 as of September 2019, including a locker and big rooftop terrace and easy walking access to every necessity. While that’s a bit high, my partner and I both sold our cars because we don’t need them - we walk or take transit everywhere. That literally saves us over US$1000/month. Toronto is far from perfect, obviously, and as the fastest growing city in North America, there is a lot of construction and housing prices are high because they can’t build enough of them fast enough, but overall, trust the actual data, not the kooks.
#Anonymous on Sep 01, 2019 :
Toronto is like a Pyramid scheme. Only the top 1% takes all the earnings.

You, the experienced, educated and professional foreigner, will sell everything you have in your home country, what you OWN, to pay RENT to a slumlord and racist landlord who will jack up the rent prices next year because he can?

On top of that, you will live in a slum area using your life savings, and crime which is unheard of in your home country will affect you and your family.

It doesn't matter if you come with the C$10,000 minimum requirement or the C$499,999 that many of you gullible immigrants carry here; it's all funnelled to enrich the few, while you SUFFER here and remain in a WORSE social status than if you remained in your home country.

Reality check! There are hundreds of thousands of international students living in crowded rooms, dying from drug overdoses and suicide, and they have to beg to work for more than 20 hours. They even beg to work for free, like the "Pajeets" from India.

Is this what you want? Don't migrate unless you obtain a solid job offer and a job contract which allows you to work in other foreign subsidiaries of the company. Don't end up trapped in Toronto because YOU WILL REGRET MOVING TO THIS DUMP!

That is all I'm going to say. If you want to leave your stable life and come here to work in factories, cleaning public toilets or even beg to work for free with thousands of "Pajeets", then be my guest.

Toronto is a city which is DECLINING and getting WORSE for the middle class and the poor.
#Nick Wong on Aug 30, 2019 :
There is a real risk to ending up stuck in Toronto due to the insane prices of rent. Doing multiple jobs is not enough, and once you burn out, you will be fired. I knew a CEO who said, as soon as you smell the first hint of smoke, can them. There’s no social safety net in this city, as the wait time is 10 years for social housing, and there is a risk that on top of paying top dollar for rent, the roof will collapse and you will end up in the streets despite having a full time job. There’s a new poster in the TTC that says, poverty has no race. It’s true, we all are one mistake away from absolute poverty, despair, and indignity-filled indifference from the other inhabitants of this place.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/people-are-stuck-report-highlights-toronto-s-housing-crunch-as-city-prepares-10-year-plan-1.5008727
Its absolute misery out here.
#Sad Canadian on Aug 30, 2019 :
I am Canadian and I can say that the problem with this city being artificially over-priced, is a problem that affects everyone who does not have millions of dollars. See this article, where a woman was forced to pay 4000 for rent a month to stay alive. The rent prices and the income prices here are not accurate. Please enter the real prices and ask everyone you know to do so.
People are dying to live here, literally. And the realtors and corrupt politicians keep holding hands making everything more expensive. There are no good political options. libel-als and con-servatives favor the rich and land owning. ND-P is a joke with OCD about homeless and addicts, but no care for middle income renters. A third of this city has it good. A third of this city is forever poor and suffering, and a third of a city is replaced each year like a snake sheds its skin.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-lung-transplant-funding-1.5260991
#Anonymous on Aug 30, 2019 :
Imagine immigrating here as a teenager, doing very well in High school, and suddenly once going to university that means squat because of identity politics. One mistake and everything is destroyed. Toronto is a cold-hearted, merciless and ruthless city, as the days of the European settlers who murdered the Native Indians in cold blood back in the 1800s to sell bungalows for millions of dollars today.

I was harassed, slandered and bullied as a student of a university in downtown Toronto because I spoke to a Canadian female using a Yankee accent. What made matters worse was that I, a non-white, was treated just like a pariah for complaining and they forced me to take psychiatric drugs and counselling because they didn't like my complaints.

One mistake in Toronto, and everything you have is GONE! Why come to Toronto as a millionaire and leave homeless or in a casket?

Toronto is a corporate bureaucracy which profits from identity politics, but they view us, the non-whites with accents as outsiders. I honestly can't change my accent to "Toronto" as I'll sound like a retarded Los Angeles prick.
#Jarvis on Aug 29, 2019 :
If you're wealthy I would advice you to skip Canada altogether. Most of your money will be eaten up by the government and landlords unless you want to park your money in Canadian real estate. Living here is a waste of money.
#3rd world citizen on Aug 29, 2019 :
Why is there a government agent or realtor artificially increasing the average salary of Toronto, while artificially reducing the rent prices?

$1,300 is not the minimum rent for a one-bedroom anywhere in Toronto, even in the suburban ghettos where many live in fear, except the slumlord living in his Bridle Path or Rosedale mansion with his family living like royalty.

Lots of immigrants came from countries where stuff like ghettoes, pimping, drug crises and other social ills are unheard of. Why put your family into such a terrible situation?

Why come to Toronto to rent a ROOM inside a basement for over $1,000 a month for, and have your family live in deplorable conditions while bad influences will destroy your family? If you send your son or daughter to the low-income schools, they will forever be discriminated in the job market. You have to afford living in a good area with good schools so the employers will not throw their resumes in the bin.

The social culture of Toronto is very toxic that the unemployed and underemployed are resorting to opiates like fentanyl and heroine to alleviate their suffering.

If you, a father or mother, really love your children, and care for their future, DO NOT come to Toronto living in a low-income ghetto with the stigma that being poor perpetuates. If you are living as a respected man or woman in your home country, you are way better off there than coming to Toronto and having to spend your life savings, and then your salaries on living in a slum area where crime is rampant.

If you love your son or daughter, ensure that they don't fall into the trap of the ghettoes of Toronto, as 99% of professional class immigrants usually end up into.

If you're a millionaire, the best solution, is to send them as international students to study, but then again, the toxic social culture might force them to jump the tracks in the TTC or consume fentanyl to escape the hell of this city.

I came from a third world country, and Toronto is declining WORSE than any third world country in the Western hemisphere, even HAITI. Do you think that even the starving and poor Haitians would settle to WORK FOR FREELY to some elitist company or for the European elite there? Hell forking NO!

Being poor here is being like a minority race in South Africa during apartheid. You will be discriminated punitively, and the locals will view you like a savage, and the white man's burden, EVEN IF YOU ARE MORE EDUCATED THAN THEM!

I wish I hadn't placed so much faith in Toronto, or even Canada as a whole, and instead saved up my cash until I had enough to live somewhere else, but then again, Toronto is a TRAP, and once you're in here, THERE IS NO ESCAPE!
#Verified Facts on Aug 28, 2019 :
Finally, the real statistics are coming out. You need three full time incomes to afford housing in Toronto. People making 150k can end up living in basements as this article says. Keep this in mind if you want to leave everything behind to come to a city where the working class is chronically exhausted and permanently under-paid. It is cold hard economics. Supply and Demand: supply, there are too many workers, demand, they build as little housing as possible to keep the prices artificially high. When sanity prevailed, people were paid good money to freeze their fingers off here for six months every year. Now, they have to pay for that priviledge. This is what the free world has to offer.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/home-prices-vancouver-twice-what-millennials-can-afford-1.5172388

And in London Ontario, a man who experience the high quality of life that Canada says it offers, did this:

https://london.ctvnews.ca/siu-investigating-after-man-sets-himself-on-fire-in-south-london-1.4535016
#Lovermann on Aug 27, 2019 :
This is a love speech: for the love of your life, of your dear ones, of your health, of anything you care about, do your research before coming to Toronto. The quality of life that they advertise is not for all. It is for those who can afford it. No money equals no happiness here.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vital-signs-report-2018-1.4554009
https://dailyhive.com/toronto/cost-of-living-toronto-early-30s

Those are two articles that tell you:
1- locals are lonely and sad
2- if you don't have that amount to survive, you will go into debt, which will sap away your health and energy.

If you manage to get an iron-clad contract (one that, in the event you lose your job, you will get enough severance to go back home safely), a good salary (upwards of 200k Canadian dollars), then you might be okay. All the prices here in Numbeo are mostly accurate, except for income. Some real estate con-artists keep pumping it up to make it look, like you can earn that. The main skill you need, is politics, to behave obsequiously with your superiors, for your own advantage, and the right look.

I am Canadian, I love immigrants, that is why I want to save them.
#PLAN Canada on Aug 26, 2019 :
The anger in Toronto is noticeable...Only someone who has a grudge against the system would do a thing such as poisoning the dogs of the Yuppies who are gentrifying the low-income areas of Toronto:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/dog-poisoning-joel-weeks-parkette-1.5259897
#Anonymous on Aug 26, 2019 :
What scare are you talking about ? Toronto is a feminist hellhole , wasps mostly stick to wasps. Very hard to make friends. Theres social alienation to an extreme. Flaky people. The reputation is well deserved, tell people in Ottawa what they think about Toronto people or to Montreal people.
#Anonymous on Aug 26, 2019 :
Canada is no joke!!
Most of the immigrant you guys are talking about below do not come prepared!
Toronto is amazing cosmopolitan city and has lots of opportunity if you are really skilled and capable to offer the level of professionalism they're looking for.
Otherwise you can always study or look for bridging programs that can also help you leverage your working situation.

Otherwise, please STOP the hate speech and STOP scaring people!
#Gerrard Pape on Aug 25, 2019 :
To the prospective migrant to Toronto.

If you're:

1. A professional such as lawyers, doctors, accountants, scientists
2. A married or single male from age 18 to 59.
3. Someone who is viewed as a self-sufficient, upper, "high caste" class in your home country

AND

1. You do not have a job offer to work in Toronto.

DON'T

I repeat...DON'T come here because you will HAVE A HARD TIME even finding a low wage job in Toronto.

Toronto is for those of identity politics, the elites, Caucasian females and those who are fleeing war-torn countries. Don't come here to clean public toilets in Toronto when you are a respected man in your home country. Are you that gullible of the lies that the Canadian government tells you?

Read how many threats have been made against us posting here by the City of Toronto autocrats for free speech to complain of this city! That alone should tell you how Toronto is a bad place.
#Anonymous on Aug 24, 2019 :
@Marxists of UofT
Amen to all that! A shame that most people who call themselves 'leftists' these days are more into identity politics driven idiocy rather than economic issues that affect working class folks
#Marxists of UofT on Aug 24, 2019 :
Not only has the cost of renting a home been getting higher and higher in Toronto, but the quality of private rental properties has been getting worse and worse. People are expected to live in cramped, inadequate housing, often in unsafe conditions – often for extortionate prices, such as $1,500 a month to rent a room inside a moldy basement of the Dufferin-Little Portugal area of Toronto.

Statistics released in 2019 showed that the number of people aged between 25 and 45 living in flat or house shares due to unaffordable homes had risen by 500% since 2007. There are so few affordable properties that people are increasingly living in overcrowded house shares, well beyond their student years.

To make matters worse, commentators from statistical website Numbeo have complained that the way to get their foot in the door of the Toronto job market is to work for free for a few years.

Revolutionary socialism is the only genuine opposition to the landlord class. No one is building low-cost homes in Toronto. Instead we have seen suburbs of North York, Scarborough, Etobicoke, Peel, York and Durham regions burgeon with expensive houses for the upper-middle class.

And then the conservatives, from Doug Ford, to Andrew Scheer, to Maxime Bernier, tell us that the country is full. Too many immigrants, not enough space. This deceit aims to divide the workforce along national and racial lines. Immigrants are not the source of the housing crisis. The ruling landlord class is, by defending their decaying capitalist system.
#Anonymous on Aug 23, 2019 :
When immigrants are working for free in the hopes to get a job, this is not based on altruism, but coercion and deception.

Meaning of the word "to volunteer"
noun
1.
a person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task.

These suckers who migrate to Canada and then work for free in Toronto with the hopes of receiving future paid employment in their fields is doing it based on coercion and false realities.

It is not any attack on anyone to point out that it's mainly East Indians who are begging to work for free.

You don't even see poor Filipinos or Vietnamese doing that and instead they WORK as nannies for $15/hr, rather than drive down wages for everyone else, like my fellow Pajeet who wouldn't even forgive one single rupee of debt to a poor villager, but works for free for the descendants of his colonial masters in Toronto.
#Robin Vicinity on Aug 23, 2019 :
I don't think there's a need to insult other people in this forum and we need to focus on the economical costs of living in this city. Changing the tone to attacks can turn this into the wrong kind of forum and I understand the frustration with being told you were going to have a better life only to find out it was not the case and that can be told just like that. No need to target other populations, we are one humanity suffering the costs of bad government that caters entire systems for the rich.
#Toronto No-go on Aug 22, 2019 :
It is impossible to afford Toronto with an average income of 80k, and it is practically impossible to get to that salary, without years of volunteering or lottery like luck There are 100k in waiting list, living in Dickensian overcrowded conditions. Watch Biutiful, that is Toronto for 100k or more people.
“Toronto is experiencing the effects of multiple trends coming to a head. Years of underinvestment in social housing from all levels of government have left the city with a 98,000-person waiting list. Soaring rental prices have far outstripped increases in wages or government support, putting enormous pressure on anyone trying to find an affordable place to live. And in the last two years, an already-overcrowded shelter system has been forced to absorb a surge of refugee claimants and people affected by the opioid epidemic.” https://torontolife.com/city/rents-high-shelters-full-8700-torontonians-homeless/
The income you see here in numbeo is a lie. Some people keep inflating it to deceive more and more people into bringing their life savings and either going back, or ending up like the guys of that article. If you manage to come, get a job, and a moldy basement to live in (no one will date you because of that), then ask you so called “friends” if you can use their sofa for x or y reason. You will instantly find out, you have no friends, and the only accommodation would be the streets. Why lose what you really have, for this?
#Toronto work for free on Aug 21, 2019 :
Canada is escalating further and further down to the ground, life is not valued in Toronto. Lady was knocked down by truck, and driver sped off the scene & didn't report the collision.

Come to Canada and work for free and die like a dog like this lady:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/08/21/woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-driver-in-scarborough-paramedics-say.html
#Anonymous on Aug 20, 2019 :
Liguang:

So it's not an exaggeration that immigrants, mainly foreign students are working for free in Toronto...This country is going to the dogs and reaching third world status. Doug Ford has made cuts to healthcare and honestly if healthcare is not paid for by the government, who would want to live here?

Healthcare is one of the largest industries in Canada. Ford is spiting his face by cutting healthcare. Who is going to pay for the $2,000 a month to rent a slumlord apartment in a suburb of Toronto if the nurses and pharmacy assistants lose their jobs?

And then these Patels and Pajeets are coming here from India and working for free because they are bootlickers for whites, just like how British ruled India for over 400 years and only Ghandi and a few others revolted. Passive Asians.

Toronto has NO economy like NYC. Tim Hortons jobs and janitor jobs are already hard to get these days, much less finding a job in your field. Welfare is a measly $700 a month, but to rent a room inside a basement goes for over $1,000 a month, and if you work you lose your benefits by a large percentage for every dollar earned...Do the math before coming here.
#Liguang on Aug 19, 2019 :
Hey Guys! I finally figured it out how to make it in Tranna (and Vancouva)!

You start private schools, charge big bucks, buy a mansion and four condos, air bnb the condos to extract every penny from naive newcomers, then don't pay wages. The efficient ministry of labour takes 3 years to get back the wages many broke students who just graduated, both canadian and newcomers do not have energy or resources to fight back thanks to the boomer-oriented economy, and if convicted of 1.6 million dollars, you only get to pay 50k! Or a year in the can, if you are that cheap. It's a really good deal. If you don't pay taxes for the condos and house, they cannot take them away, because CRA is soooo smart, that they will protect your property from greedy millenials. For more on this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anchuan-jiang-companies-owe-money-1.4575201

Those schools continue to operate, by the way. That's how the maple syrup cookey crombles!
#Jarvis on Aug 18, 2019 :
Western world is in a steep decline. The economy is suffering across all Western countries and extremist ideology is becoming more and more mainstream - eg. Trumpanzees. Education is failing and people are becoming ignorant, racist and uncivil. Canada's economy is mainly natural resource based and there is no innovation so the only jobs left for educated newcomers are menial dead end jobs. AGAIN, do not bring your hard earned savings to this country as there is no end goal here apart from survival. Your savings will be drained within a few months and you will join the millions of broke wage slaves hustling for money daily.

If this is your idea of a lifestyle upgrade then do as you please but don't say you weren't warned. Remember the climate in Canada is absolute sh*t and traveling is expensive when every penny counts.
#Jai Malhotra (Former Seneca student) on Aug 18, 2019 :
Hello everyone,

It is very true that you are no longer guaranteed a job, even a minimum wage job after earning your diploma and degree in Toronto.

As a recent graduate, I've known some friends from other colleges who have a very hard time finding jobs. Centennial College even has a working for experience program called Design Jam, where graduates work for no salary for 3 months, just to obtain "Canadian experience". Slavery is here in Toronto and it's in the form of internships. Lots of Toronto agencies are "looking for volunteers everyday", but they are not hiring.

Don't think for a second that us non-whites are safe in this country either. Police are biased, the legal system is biased, and racism is increasing as if Toronto has imported uneducated racists from the deep south. Toronto is not a world class city. It's a very capitalist, clannish and social strata messhole and it's only getting worse for the poor.
#Anonymous on Aug 16, 2019 :
A recession is coming. If you think graduates applying to work for free in Toronto is bad, wait until the global recession hits. Toronto graduates will beg to PAY employers to work for free! Who in their right mind would leave their middle class lifestyle far east to live in this recession-dump of Toronto?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inverted-yield-curve-recession-worries-the-yield-curve-inverted-in-a-classic-recession-signal/
#rocknrolla on Aug 16, 2019 :
Toronto is an immigrant trap. You might get a job but be prepared to give back all your hard money in the form of rent while you live in a city that is frozen over half the year. It is not a world class city transit is terrible cost of living is high and the landscape is very boring. Try for the US or Australia if you have a choice.
#Jarvis on Aug 15, 2019 :
@John Wayne

Even if you had a million dollars how long would that last in Canada? You'd be foolish to bring your savings to Canada. Why not invest in other avenues if you had a million dollars?
#John Wayne on Aug 15, 2019 :
Toronto was built by middle class, who used to pay well, because who wants to live in this horrible winter? But then came the hippies, the generation that loved themselves so much, many of them didn't even bother to have kids. So they brought outsiders, and realized that the sheet-rock dumps they bought for 40k, when their salaries were 40k, could be sold for more and more. Now, those dumps are selling for a million dollars, and there is people gullible enough to buy them. They come for the passport, and for a life quality that has been gone for over twenty years. The prices here are right, except for the income. You are looking at 2000 if you find a job, or nothing if you, like 90% of the newcomers, end up volunteering. I just saw a photographer post asking for 3 days of work to get some exposure. 3 days of work, and transportation to Brampton, for Canadian experience. On the other hand, if you think the Canadian passport does anything for you, think twice. I have one, and when I go to international conferences, they ask me, where are you from? Canada. No, really. My blonde colleagues don't get asked that. Being born and grown here does not really matter.
The classism (prejudice against or in favor of people belonging to a particular social class) in Toronto is evident on those delusional people saying this is a world class city. It is the best of times (for landlords), it is the worst of times (for tenants and newcomers who don't have 1M dollars).
#Anonymous on Aug 15, 2019 :
Where did you get the figure of $45,000 yearly salary in Toronto? That must be for the downtown and Lawrence Park/Bridle Path elites who skew the average figure due to their high (and extremely high for Lawrence Park) incomes.

The average working class wage for Torontonians living in the ghettos of North York and Scarborough is roughly $23,000 yearly after taxes. Wages are going DOWN in Toronto.

Graduates of Seneca, Humber and Centennial College are even struggling to be "hired" for work-for-free internships, and they even face competition for MLM scams. I'm not joking. It's very hard to even get unpaid internships to work as free labour.
#Anonymous on Aug 15, 2019 :
Average price of a one bedroom is now $2300. Average salary is around $45K. We are screwed.
#Anonymous on Aug 15, 2019 :
At Pat (born in Toronto) on Aug 14, 2019 :

Someone keeps artificially reducing the rent prices, to lower the cost of living, while boosting the average salary. One will even struggle to get a janitor or bartender job here in Toronto these days. A degree or diploma means d**k all these days.

The Baby Boomer Canadians who bought their particleboard bungalows for a year's salary working as a bag boy or retail clerk in the 70s and early 80s, are now millionaires who construct 20 to 30 rooms in their houses to rent for over $1,000 a head every month. They don't declare this as taxable income, and they also collect their pensions. It has never been a great time to be a Canadian Baby Boomer.

Additionally, they will earn so much money & apply for home equity loans for literally free of cost while buying their second property in the USA, Central to South America or Asia, creating real estate bubbles there. Fortunately, Canadian Baby Boomers aren't as protected overseas as they are in Canada so I would predict that the locals will eventually resent and get fed up of the snobby boomers and chase them away.

Toronto is a city of greed, coldness attitudes, elitist snobbery and a very classist system if you read between the lines. There are no good paying jobs here except for the wealthy few who are politically connected, and the low wage jobs here people are competing like mad to even work for free!

(Edit: Why is Numbeo implementing pre-screen keyword flags to shadow ban comments? Real estate agent or greedy landlord angry that people are finding the truth that Toronto doesn't have the jobs as they claim, yet the rents are disproportionately high for the average salary?)
#Pat (born in Toronto) on Aug 14, 2019 :
"Cost of living index in Toronto is 17.77% lower than in New York".

People, take note of this part at the top of the page in the Summery About Cost of Living in Toronto. Keep your eye on this. The cost of living percentage gap in Toronto compared to New York City has been decreasing. Not long ago Toronto was 30% less cost of living lower than in New York. Keep watching if this website will censor this factor at the top of the page. Toronto only costing 17.77% less than in New York is completely unjustified.

Toronto is nowhere near the level and category of the New York, London and Tokyos of the world. Toronto does not have high job creation, it does not possess great infrastructure and subway system, the police presence and kaw enforcement is very low - almost zero, Toronto has very weak innovation, it is a place that doesn't take risk, it suffers from politically correctness, and a big factor is that Toronto does not have its own industries or companies. Toronto does not even have its own culture, mode and identity. Toronto was made and designed to be a type of Cleveland or Buffalo city, and to be sensible. Today, after damage from the past two or three decades, it is a huge dysfunctional mess.
#Anonymous on Aug 14, 2019 :
It's C$2,300 for a one-bedroom apt. in Toronto. Numbeo, please update:

https://www.blogto.com/real-estate-toronto/2019/08/average-cost-one-bedroom-rental-toronto-now-2300/
#Albania on Aug 14, 2019 :
Check out how many indians are being brought to toronto living in horrible comditions.

Tessa what do you have to say to that?

https://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow_comments/64920227.cms
#Tessa on Aug 14, 2019 :
Toronto is the greatest city in the world. Great restaurants. Great community. LGBTQI+ friendly. Lots of things to do, other than most of you living like basement dwellers posting hate and garbage of our great city. Canada is the greatest country in the world.
#Torontonian by debt on Aug 13, 2019 :
Dear Outsider, I can tell you there is a chance of getting a good job, if you are very skilled at something and get a contract before you come. I have known people from Europe, for whom this is the case, but if they lose the job, they lose everything.

A guy I knew who worked for Urbancorp, which went bankrupt, had to run back to his country for he could not find anything else, I have never met so many people despair in their lives as in Toronto. The other option is to marry someone, if you are very, very attractive, you might secure a living. But the same goes for marrying, you have to get into a serious relationship and ideally married before you come, ideally. For the LGBT community, there are more opportunities, so if you belong to that group, you might find a partner and, if you make sure they have a home and a good paying job, you might be okay.

The only jobs I see are for minimum salary, or hairstylists. The few good jobs I see, are for those with canadian experience.

The unemployment rate is around 5-6% in general.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1410028703

But the problem is not unemployment, but underemployment. You might bring your credentials, skills, and experience, and they will put you down because they want to pay the minimum they can. There are people from Oxford who can't get good jobs. I have worked for two decades, and my salary has stagnated. I'm making 200 dollars more than 10 years ago, despite excellent reviews every year. They kept telling us to wait, and next thing you know, we have a premier who wants austerity. Get informed before you make any life changing decision.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/the-ugly-truth-hiding-behind-canadas-low-unemployment-rate-should-worry-us-all

People keep coming because if you manage to go through all the hurdles of applying for PR and to suffer for three years, you get a fancy passport and Canadian experience. A passport won't do much, specially if you don't have money to travel. If you do have money and get in trouble, then the goverment might help you, but it depends in the country.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4812963/13-canadians-detained-china-huawei/

That's basically it. There was an image created by hollywood about good life here. Don't believe it, apply for jobs, apply for dating, go on google view and check the intersections of queen and bathurst or jane and finch, whatever you see with you own eyes, that's reality.
#Outsider on Aug 13, 2019 :
I don't live in Canada. Thanks to everyone who has shared info on the real picture of living in Canada. Can someone please explain to me how is it that so many immigrants are pouring into Canada every year and what are these immigrants doing? Are there immigrants who have managed to secure well paying jobs? What's the unemployment rate in Canada? Thanks.
#Anonymous on Aug 13, 2019 :
Numbeo, you do realize that censoring legal comments criticizing Toronto defeats the purpose of your website as not being influenced by any government agency?

There is no crime being committed to take down posts which criticize the city, yet the bureaucrats at the Metro Hall of Toronto are sending legal notices to take down golden comments which expose the brutal reality of living in this hyper-capitalist yet socialist liberal dump.
#Montserrat on Aug 13, 2019 :
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/05/06/report-reveals-alarming-and-growing-racialized-income-divide-in-gta.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=star_web_ymbii

As not seen on TV, Toronto fails short on its promise of high quality of life and equality for newcomers who don't bring a couple million dollars cash here. To those trying to shut free speech, they might be better off if they sell their particleboard paper mansion for a million and move to Charloteville, where they will buy a real mansion and find like-minded individuals. This city is not a patch-work quilt, it's a pile of divided communities with no care for "the others", who are trigger happy to cut social benefits, hate paying taxes (so many of them evade them), and expect the newcomers to foot the bill for their expensive healthcare and police. The infrastructure is falling apart. Just have a look at the Gardiner.
#Good Samaritan on Aug 12, 2019 :
Real Estate runs Ontario. There is no other way to put it. The politicians, such as Tim Hudak, ex leader of the con-servative party, are now up to their necks in RE. The liberals as well, and the NDP's only concern is the homeless, not the sandwich class who does not qualify to any subsidy. If you come wihtout a job, you might end up on a plane back, with no money in your pockets, or like the guy in this picture. You have been warned.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/homeless-newcomers-refugees-canada-studies-1.5242426
#Anonymous on Aug 11, 2019 :
There is no sense of community in Toronto, and speaking of topics such as rents, jobs and the cost of living usually gets a very defensive reaction from many of them, especially those working in the public sector and in downtown Toronto. It's like one is not allowed to mention these issues.

On the other hand, people are getting marginalized that they are forming anti-social groups, harassing people based on their religion, taking part in nationalist protests, but in the end, the problems of Toronto remain living. The Landlord isn't going to stop raising his rent because some jackboot skinhead harassed a bunch of Muslim migrants. Toronto is a city of extremes I tell you!
#Anonymous on Aug 10, 2019 :
Clark Kent

the worst thing about the boomers is that they look at their struggling kids and mock them without acknowledging that they grew up in a completely different era with none of the same problems

possibly the most delusional and selfish generation in history
#John on Aug 10, 2019 :
Lots of people are losing it in Toronto. The government wants to cut mental health and hospital services which would keep the mentally ill away from harming the population, but no, they want to cut healthcare to give tax breaks to the condo developers and landlords to raise the rents to skyrocketing proportions.

You have Baby Boomers in their 70s and 80s who are not giving up to leave this earth and let future generations take lead. They are responsible for jacking up house and rent prices to make it un-affordable for everyone else.

You have college and university graduates begging at the intersection of Yonge & Bloor to WORK FOR FREE! WORK FOR NO PAY!, yet the greedy Baby Boomer who worked at a retail store and bought a house on that salary will now build 15 rooms and rent each room for $1,000 tops in a suburban area of the greater Toronto area.

Something has to give. The Boomers aren't going to leave this earth anytime soon, and the younger generations have to beg to work for free while having to live on the streets or pay $1,000 rent a month in a rooming house.
#The Truth hurts on Aug 10, 2019 :
Reported today: Over 260 shootings so far this year. Stabbings exceed that. We now have a gun and gang war culture here that is out of control. Nothing will stop this due to relatively low property taxes and political correctness. If you are considering moving here you had better be starting at $85,000 today, family income about $170,000 NOT in a year or two. This is no longer Toronto the Good. The city has changed dramatically in the last 15 years. Sorry to tell you the truth.
#Anonymous on Aug 09, 2019 :
@Honest Ted:

It's a realtor or government agent who keeps on marking up the average wage, while lowering the rental prices to create an illusion of higher net salary.

This is the reality of immigrants migrating to Canada...Work for free? How are you going to pay your rent? Sleep on the streets!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/homeless-newcomers-refugees-canada-studies-1.5242426
#Friday Surfer on Aug 09, 2019 :
Toronto is expensive beyond human capabilities of generating income. The only way to have some quality of life, is by getting into debt. This lead to frustration at the never ending payments of interest, and a lack of social safety net means you cannot declare bankruptcy without ending up in the streets, where you can be subjected to all kinds of violence. Get informed, before you are conned.
#Honest Ted on Aug 09, 2019 :
who keeps inflating the income to a level beyond the real going rate? You will not earn 3,400 a month. You are looking at 2200 realistically, either minimum wage or starter salary minus taxes. Even lower if you are part time. To those posting real comments about Toronto, please encourage your friends to post real incomes. This city is way more over priced than real world class cities, and the salaries are much lower. Lies like the income posted here are what keeps people coming to a dog-eats-dog working environment, where the dogs at the top are the meanest.
#SCAM alert on Aug 08, 2019 :
Charlie, that's the problem...Unlike the USA where there are hundreds of cities which are comparable to Toronto, there are NONE other than Toronto where there is an urban metropolis. Vancouver does not count as it's a money laundering hub for Chinese, Montreal doesn't count because it's a close-knit society of Quebecois aristocrats and you have to speak their version of French.

I've noticed that more and more people are snapping out on the streets of downtown Toronto. It isn't a CAMH or hospital problem as Doug Ford and his cronies haven't cut health care as yet.

Toronto is not a city of innovation, nor would Canada be a place to live the "American dream" unless you are coming here to retire with at least $1.5 million dollars, or are laundering money from Asia.

Point is, if you don't choose the right school, intersection and social groups, you will be discriminated. How is it that children who attend those expensive private schools RARELY end up unemployed or living in poverty, even if they are less qualified than someone who studied at a low-income school at Jane & Finch? It's aristocracy in action!
#Charlie on Aug 08, 2019 :
I will have to agree that Primerica is not a reputable employer, as I know many people who got involved and were later disappointed. It is a job that asks you to sell insurance and other services to friends and family, and after you run out of friends and family who are willing to buy it, then you are on your own. In any case, other than that suggestion, you do not find many tangible job offers, because there are none. If you want a job in Toronto, there is Tim Hortons, Starbucks, hairstylist jobs, or restaurant jobs. Most of these go for the minimum wage. You can see the ads posted in Yonge street, if you go to google street view. So two full time jobs will not be enough to rent at the going rate in Toronto. Where you live determines whether you have friends or none at all. Once someone hears you live in a basement, they will not accept your dinner invitations, no matter how good the dinner is. One third of Torontonians are lonely, because it is too expensive to live here and to interact with other people you need money. I think the day will come soon when people start leaving this over-priced backwater town in hoards, and then you will see the real prices of what living in a frigid land of ice with anti-social locals should cost.
#Charles J on Aug 06, 2019 :
Toronto is priced beyond minimum salaries, and jobs other than those are hard to find. I have worked at the LCBO, making 16 an hour, regardless of university and canadian education I could not find anything else. The work was exhausting, I spoke french and that did not matter, and it was barely enough to rent a room in a dark building downtown (having a car would have added 1000 a month to the bill in car payments, gas, parking and the worse part, insurance.
It is not surprise it has become the inequality capital of Canada, with two major political forces, the not in our backyard and the profit-til-everyone-else-is-priced-out:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/02/27/toronto-now-canadas-inequality-capital-united-way-study-shows.html